As good as SACD is, I have only
50 or so discs, yet countless hundred redbook cd's so although I want the magic of sacd
playback I absolutely need good CD playback. In this review I have focused
mainly on the redbook playback of the machines, as
SACD playback I've found to have less variability between machines, though in
every case I should not that I found the character of each players redbook playback to transfer to the SACD side as well to a
lesser degree, especially the flaws. For example, the 963's poor bass on redbook transferred to the SACD side while being notably
open on both formats, the 9000es had a grainy top-end and one-note-bass on both
formats, the SACD1000 had prominent bass on both sides, etc
I'll add an addendum to the review later when I finish playing with the 5900 if
anyone's interested, which my dealer will let me demo in home for a couple
weeks. Every machine had at least 300hrs of burn-in for each format, all but
the 8400 had much, much more, and each where tweaked with various isolation
devices and cables, each "optimized" with their various on-screen settings and
filters for pure audio reproduction, and I even tried the un-intuitive and less
popular settings for giggles. I put at least 3 solid weeks of listening in on
each machine. I also re-optimized speaker positions as much as possible with
each source, which was a PITA with 125lb speakers on spikes, for sure, but only
fair, especially wrt getting the best soundstage,
tonal balance due to room interactions and the preferred front row seat. With
no further ado, the very lengthy review!PHILIPS
SACD-1000: The redbook was, in a word, blah. The most
un-involving sound I've heard in my home. Lifeless, lacking in resolution, the
top-end was objectionably 24224i815y soft whereas the bass was prominent, very strong with
lots of slam and a fairly textured, yet it's the only thing the player nearly
gets right, which makes the presentation unbalanced and distracting. I just
couldn't sit and listen to this players haze and dullness on redbook; I would either pick up a book or turn on the tv for background diversion after
a few minutes, it was that boring. The 963 is more detailed, more open, with
more air, more sparkle and top end extension, though the 1000 offers fuller,
more round, simply better bottom 3 octaves. The SACD performance was much
better however; it was about 80% of what the SA14 had with the same general
tonality, just didn't image as well, not as extended or "pretty" up top, though
nearly as smooth, rich and solid sounding, fairly analog sounding overall,
though comparable perhaps to only an entry level TT. This player was very
sensitive to isolation and the slow roll filter was clearly superior, just like
on the SA14 wrt the improvements heard, with more
extension, air and ease. Build quality was so-so. Horrible case and front
plate, flimsy and noisy tray, not at all looking like a $2K player from the
outside. No PCM out is a huge setback for this player, it needs an external dac in the worst way. Even an MSB Nelson would be a huge
step-up IMO, let alone a Musical Fidelity A3-24 or Bel
Canto dac (I've owned all of these too, among others,
and quite a few CD-only players for reference).Final Grade: I'd give the
machine a "C-" on redbook, a B on SACD. I had great
hopes for this player, expecting it to sound more like the SA14 given some
shared internals, and was greatly let down, so take that into account in my review.PHILIPS 963: I didn't have much hope at all for this machine and was
impressed with the sound it offered at an insanely low cost, I'd suggest it for
newbie's in an instant, yet it's nowhere near reference caliber. First off I
thought the player sounded best the upsampling off, a
sentiment shared by more then a few people I spoke with that had highly
resolving systems that fell for this players' hype. Upsampling
sounded gimmicky, very artificial, clearly adding things to the music/sound
that wasn't actually there, in some ways euphonic sounding, if you will, though
on the plus side upsampling did open up the
soundstage significantly and lower the noise floor. However, I feel the stage
is an artificial stereophonic artifact, it's something not heard in real life,
and as neat as it is to hear it's a characteristic I don't value too much in
hi-fi playback, just so you're aware of my biases here. Redbook wasn't
objectionable overall, easy to listen to, just nothing special in the grand
scheme of things. For the $300 I paid for it I suppose it's a great value,
great entry level player, but not at home in the $10K setup auditioned in. My
main gripe with this player was, as my friend who also tried the player so
eloquently put it, it has "no nuts!" Very weak bass, it sounded bashful and
apologetic down low, to get anthropomorphic (sorry!). Bass was hollow, lacked
slam, and was rolled off. Bass is important to me, especially given my musical
tastes. Bass is the rhythmic driving force of the music, it's what draws a
person into the performance, making a visceral connection and makes the sound
more believable, less reproduced, and these things the 963 lacked, which made
it hard to appreciate the player. Next to the SA14 it lacked ambiant and inner detail, musicality and natural warmth and
richness, which are not things one wants to do without when they have so much
invested in a stereo, yet it was as good or better in these regards next to the
Sony. SACD playback was pretty good, very open and smooth. Also worth note, the
build quality is dismal on this player, cheap inside and out, the worst of the
lot. [yes, before you ask, I used the right RCA outputs
and settings!]Final Grade: I almost want to fail both Philips players for the
"Tick-Tick-Tick-Tick" noise audible at the listening position! This is
unacceptable! Why some folks compliment this transport completely escapes me!
However, ignoring the built-in ticking-time-bomb feature of the Philips
players, another "C" on redbook, a "B/B+" on SA-CD.
Though the lack of bass also transferred to the DSD side it was more open and
articulate with more ambient detail then the SACD1000, also a character on redbook it excelled in, hence the slightly higher score,
though the 1000 killed it from 160hz down on SACD.SONY 9000ES:Typical for a flagship Sony product, it's ruthless on
lesser recordings, easy to listen to with great recordings, quite a mixed bag
overall. It's an absolutely killer transport for an external dac, better then the old Theta Basic/PS Audio transports,
so its value is high. Mating this player with a good, though not necessarily
expensive dac I feel to be a great way to go and
would suggest this to many that have a great dac and want to try SACD, where one will have cd and sacd playback with what
I'm told is great video to boot. On Redbook, the tonal balance was good, fair
PRAT, imaging was good between speakers but lacked depth and solidarity. On the
downside it had very loose, "one-note" type bass next to the Marantz machines, it had grainy though well extended highs,
it was, on all but stunning recordings, slightly lean in the midrange, overall
slightly fatiguing with long listening sessions, not very musical and rarely
engaging. It's very dependent on quality power. It's a mixed bag for me, I was
glad to see it go yet didn't mind it sharing shelf space when it was here and
playing well recorded music. I don't want to give this one a grade, I'll take a
"W" on this one ?DENON 2900:BM sucks. You'll spend
hours online trying to figure out how to get low bass out of this player, and
once you get it you'll find it wasn't worth the hassle! It had a closed-in and
uninviting sound, nowhere near as relaxed as the Marantz
or 963, thin down low, unfocused stage, especially up top. The Marantz 8400 eats it alive, especially in terms of
musicality and soundstaging. It felt it did a less
then stellar job with SACD, overall perhaps the worst of the bunch aside from
the 9000es and 47ai (if memory serves), though still sounding better then 44.1.
It had limited dynamic range on SA-CD next to the 8400, not nearly the air and
spaciousness, nor as smooth up top. It sounded more extended with more sparkle
but after more listening I'd be comfortable saying the top-end is ragged and
diffuse, giving the impression of extension where, though in a way that the
recording doesn't offer, maybe overemphasis in a small range. It's not very
transparent, you can't see into the recording like you can with the Marantz players, it simply lacks presence and naturalness
of lifelike music. It also sounded dull around 5K hZ, the complete opposite flaw seen in the DV8400, so
overall completely different sounding. It's easy to listen to, good for the
price, just not as good as the 8400 by any standard. I should admit that Denon products have never impressed me for music next to
comparably priced and modern products from Marantz
and other niche audiophile companies, this player being no exception. I'm going
to demo the 5900 after all the buzz, but after the 2900 I won't hold my breath
on audio playback fidelity. As much as I pick it apart I would suggest it over
the Sony or Philips SACD1000 given the similar $600-700 going rate, but a
system/personal taste tossup with the Philips 963 (assuming you have a sub I
might give the nod to the 963), and would suggest the more expensive Marantz players over the Denon
without hesitation. BTW, sacd playback is much louder
then cd playback, so be sure to adjust your levels if
you demo this player, it makes a huge difference, makes the sacd
playback rather uninspiring and lifeless then first believed, it's actually a
bit analytical and clinical like the redbook side
(house sound?), this next to any other sacd player,
yet still has an edge over most PCM machines when spinning SACD's.
I must note that I compared this one critically to the 8400 and sa14, so may be
unfair in the critique given the price difference, yet I've not seen any
comparisons of this machine next to "better" or other new machines so thought
it might be worth comparing, and I can only offer comparisons to the Philips
players and Sony's by memory, which I hate to do, so take that into account.Grade: C+ redbook, B
SACDMARANTZ DV-8400:In short, for anyone willing to spend up to the $1100 or
some odd dollars for such a machine, it's the only DVD based machine that I'd
recommend to anyone into music, well worth the dollar difference over the
competition. As to its virtues, it offered a stunningly deep soundstage with
more air around instruments then any machine I've had in home, an area where it
even eclipsed the SA-14, having openness and spaciousness akin to the Musical
Fidelity A3-24 dac, a dac
which I enjoyed immensely with a Theta transport but ultimately sold in favor
of the SA-14 some time ago. The hi-fi freaks out there will love this player's
imaging abilities. Its bass was second only to the SA-14, it trounced all over
the other DVD based machines, being deeper, tighter and more articulate with
more texture then the competition. It has great rhythmic drive, very toe
tapping and musical, its bass articulation and imaging capabilities have to be
part of its stunning quietness, in turn its dynamic range, which on paper in
the spec sheet is remarkable and apparently not exaggerated. It's does a good
job with ambiance and low level detail, fabulous reverberation information to
cue in on hall size and shape, better then any other dvd
player by a mile, all of which shocked me as the other players completely
missed these things, keeping them as strictly good mid-fi
components in my book. Again, this is all relative to my reference and preference.The 8400 is a bit laid back however, just a
little though (way laid-back before broken-in, so be patient!), so make sure
your system isn't too laid back to start with if you decide to give it a try. I
should not that my amp is very aggressive and forward, and it doesn't need to
be said that system matching and synergy is always key, ymmv,
etc. That said it's still the only dvd
based sacd player that I would personally recommend,
the other dvd players have very obvious flaws or
shortcomings that I myself could not live with. It has some other faults worth
mentioning in the hi-fi context as well, though not faults next to the other dvd players, only faults in the
absolute sense next to more expensive gear. It images are flat and, next to the
SA14, hollow. It lacks the midrange richness and warmth and topend
sweetness of the SA14 and a few other $3K+ players/dacs+transports
I've had. Main fault next to the other sacd/dvd
machines to my ears is a soft topend, being not as
extended as the 963 or especially the sa14, yet it was smoother then the
Philips and Sony machines while not as crisp, clear and smooth as the SA14 (which
itself some folks find soft but I'd call just right in my system). It's
slightly bright (around 5K I'd say), and that mixed with the slightly recessed
midrange make for a notable problem compared to reference quality cd players, but it's a flaw easier to live with then those
had in the other machines, at least for me, but others will object to this I'm
sure. Also, It's not an 'analog-like' sounding player or 'tube-ish"; it's unmistakable as digital, granted it's good
digital, yet still has the digital edge and feel, as do all the dvd players, yet it doesn't sound like it has a dvd player built in with the associated grundge
that the other players carry as baggage, notably their high noise floor. I
respect its redbook, but don't love it, just as I
respect
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